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No thanks.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
rufio to Browns in 2012!!!!
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
No thanks.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Hey now. I might not make the 53 man roster, but I could totally make it as a quality control coach or waterboy. I would bring Heckert his sushi so fast.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
If by sushi you mean fried douch and by so fast you mean right now, you might have a chance.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
oh yeah
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Do you mean “douche?” Or is douch some kind of strange delicacy from Amsterdam that I am unaware of?
by Off-the-Chain on Jan 7, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fried Duchy?
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it’ d be a real bitch if we addressed almost every need on the team in one off season without blowin the salary cap.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Flynn would be awful and we already have DQ for MLB.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 5, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Kuechly can and has played OLB. He was recruited as a safety for goodness sakes, it’s not like he can’t cover. In fact there’s very little Kuechly can’t do.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is a LB that doesn’t rush the passer. Not worth the first round pick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
And please enlighten us as to why Matt Flynn would be awful.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would he be good?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about. When a guys record as a starter in the NFL is 2-0, and his TD to INT record as a starter is 9-3, the burden of proof lies on the guy claiming he sucks. I’m not saying Flynn is a sure thing but he’d undoubtedly be an instant upgrade and getting a QB through free agency would also allow us to use our draft picks to address other vital needs areas on our team.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You don’t understand football.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 6, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Im just asking you to back up something you say, somewhere, sometime, at some point. Can you do it or not?
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My backup is the fact that he’s payed in two games, he’s a 7th round pick and you want to throw a crap ton of money at Kolb v.2
It’s stupid.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you have no absolute clue if he’s an “instant upgrade”. That’s foolish.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
We have as much of a clue that Flynn would be better than Colt than we do that RGIII would be, except that Flynn has actually succeeded in NFL action.
Everyone has the potential to be a bust. Is that the crux of your entire argument? What evidence do you have to support that he’s the next Kolb and not the next Shaub? Surely a smart guy like you can do better.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Why do you have evidence that he’ll be the next Rodgers? You don’t have anymore evidence than I do. RGIII or Luck have a lot more ability to pan out than Flynn. There’s a reason they’re rated in the 1st round. They’ll also be much much cheaper.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, in a game where the packers had nothing to gain, and the Lions could have moved up a seed, he played better, stat wise, than Rodgers. Chicken or egg, but he obviously has some ability to succeed. Even if it takes a shit ton of good players around him. Some QBs aren’t even good with that.
He threw against Eric Wright and BRANDON “I CAN’T PLAY FOOTBALL” MCDONALD.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 7, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
How does Detroit win any games if throwing 6 TDs against them doesnt take any doing?
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Because Megatron.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
oh my bad i didn’t realize he sat out vs GB.
oh… wait
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
You said any games.
oh… wait.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 9, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
You’re far and away the most idiotic regular poster on this blog, but are you really THAT dense? No, you’re not, so you play stupid as it’s the only thing you really can do when you get punked like that.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
No one got punked, no one really likes you here and I’m not one of the stupidest posters on here. Don’t get butthurt because I don’t like your shitty offseason.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 10, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
C’mon guys lets stop with the poo flinging. Especially since no one likes either of you. J/K ;)
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 10, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
at least Kolb was a 2nd rounder.
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Which, more than anything, shows that after being able to evaluate how you perform in the actual NFL, where you were drafted is largely irrelevant.
A guy who is just okay but was a first round pick isn’t automatically better than a guy who good but was a 4th round pick.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I also think it shows that maybe Kolb has a better overall skill set. That’s more the point.
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It shows people thought he had a better skill set before he was drafted and showed that his skill set is horrible.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
his actual gameplay shows his skillset is, in reality and in practice, horrible *
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
which is MOST to the point. Can you play in the NFL? Kolb has shown he absolutely cannot. Flynn has shown that theres real possibility he can. Colt has started to assure us he cannot.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I don’t think Kolb definitively can’t play in the NFL. He was actually pretty decent this year, but this is not the point.
Flynn has shown a flash in the pan. I do like Flynn, but he only had one or two really good games. Kolb had that in his first year he got to start.
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Kolb never looked as good Flynn has. Kolb’s best game as a starter was a 2 TD, 0 INT run at KC, but the week before that he threw three picks to 2 TD’s in relief of an injured Vick.
Thats not horrible but its not 9 TDs to 3 INTs.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I’d argue Flynn had one really good game, but in all honestly they are pretty comparable in their unknowns.
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You can look up Kolb’s stats in starts for Philly and make the exact same argument. He’s had some very good games for them. (that being said, I think Kolb is worthless and would groan if the Browns made a play for him)
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have this sneaking suspicion that Matt Flynn will end up like Cassel or Kolb except way worse.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
Worse than Kolb?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yup I said it.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
I’m not going to be a big Flynn defender, but at least Flynn did something in two games, versus Kolb just being ridiculously overhyped after not doing anything.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Kolb love made no sense whatsoever. I also think Flynn is over-hyped after just one start, but Kolb was piss poor in his prior seven starts.
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Flynn has two starts which isn’t much but its DOUBLE what you said. :)
I think he won them both and I think his opponents in each game were genuinely competing. I mean, Flynn has shown something in two games that Seneca and Colt have never shown between them in a single game. Thats an instant, considerable upgrade.
FWIW, I never bought into the Kolb hype train either, I thought Matt Cassel was overpaid, though I thought he’d turn out better than he has. If Flynn is going at the same market rate as Cassel did, I’d pass, but I don’t think he’ll cost that much.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I think the Pats pass defense was 22nd when he faced them, and the Lions pass defense was 30.
Just feels like fools gold to me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah again, I’m not saying he’s the next Aaron Rodgers. But Colt couldn’t throw six touchdowns against my flag football team, much less the 30th ranked defense in the country.
The other thing about Flynn is he, like Rodgers, was surrounded by talent in GB. Not so here in Cleveland, unless we take Blackmon and roll the dice on Broyles, who despite his injury I think still has a lot of promise.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
or a guy like broyles, another playmaker, even if its a lamichael james. I just get excited about the idea of a guy who has first round talent being available that late, like he’s projected to be.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
If we could get James in the 3rd, it would be well worth it. I think he goes in the early second.
You know he isn’t going to be your bell cow, but he can catch and is definitely fast.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ya, james is WAY too good to go in the third even if that is where he is currently being projected. I feel like every fan of every team in the league is holding out for james to fall to their team in the third, but I just don’t see it happening.
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Two things I like about Flynn are that he has been studying a WCO under Rodgers for a few years now. Another is that GB’s offensive line isn’t very good and Flynn was getting the ball out quickly and efficiently.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Kolb not even look that good compared to how Flynn has looked. SSS I know.
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Kolb never looked very good against anybody, IMO. He didn’t always look bad but he never looked like the guy you would wanna pin your franchise too, not even for one game. Flynn has, at the very least, shown flashes.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Me too. Just not as a 1st rounder.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Broyles probably isn’t even a second rounder IMO
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I would love to draft him in the 3rd. How is his injury?
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Typical ACL. I would imagine he would be PUP list for at least training camp.
Well worth a mid round pick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
No way, I would guess 3rd-4th depending on how his medical reports are.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I said somewhere else that in signing a free agent QB, we aren’t just paying for said QB, were also paying for the opportunity to use our draft picks to address other needs. I’d be satisfied with a Matt Cassel for 3 or 4 years at this point tbh.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I wouldn’t. I’d rather keep trying to strike gold in later rounds for four years than bother to overpay for some guy to come in and be average. Of course, I’d much rather not do either one of those things.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
Then again, I don’t think Flynn is gonna be Matt Cassel. I think he’ll be something closer to Matt Hasselback.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
by troy145 on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be 3 or 4 years of wasted Joe Thomas.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I see no way Kuechly falls that far.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You think he goes in the first round?
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I’d say he’s one of the 15 best players in the draft, and even if he doesn’t get selected that high he’ll go before 32nd.
His instincts are great and I think he will run really well. He’s like a faster, (much) younger London Fletcher or DQ; sideline to sideline, making a ton of tackles, probably won’t rush the passer much but is going to play really well in zone coverage, stop the run, and be the first to diagnose the play.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You think he goes in the first round?
I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions
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I take this optimism shit seriously.
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by The Licensed Optimist on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m scared of Matt Flynn. First of all, he will be 27 next season and reeks of Matt Cassel. Plus, I think he will be pretty expensive. Matt Cassel got 6-60. Ryan Fitzpatrick got 6-59.
I’m not comfortable giving that kind of money to a guy that has proven so little. I know we will have to pay a rookie QB a good chunk, but Griffin is 21 years old and has a much higher ceiling. I’m willing to take that gamble.
I would actually switch the approach, throw money at a free agent WR (Stevie Johnson?) and draft the QB.
And of course, I would never use a first round pick on a LB that doesn’t rush the passer. You could get Zach Brown at OLB in the second round and he will give 95% of the production for a lower price. First round LB’s are almost never worth the price.
I agree with you. I would throw cash at Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson and draft RG3 all day.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I like getting Justin Blackmon and Zach brown. But I think we should get lamichael James and a RG
by lightninmcqueen on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Would love LaMicheal after the 2nd round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
He’s the guy that so many people would love to draft in the 3rd that he goes early in the 2nd. People will see him as Sproles 2.0 and rocket him up draft boards.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, I heard he does crack cocaine*. (If we keep repeating this, we will be able to get him in the 3rd!)
*I have no evidence supporting my claim of his drug abuse.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would definitely be happy with Zach Brown, even if Kuechly was still on the table by some miracle, but I really dont think we need to focus on addressing RB in the first 3 rounds of the draft, especially with bjax getting healthy again.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
No Jackson, Jackson, Bowe, etc is going to want to come to cleveland so that they can run 5 yard out routes and get mauled 10 times a year when Colt or Seneca leaves them out to dry with James Harrison. Until the QB play improves, WR improvements will come from the draft.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Jan 10, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
If you’d like to talk about a Meachem or a Fred Davis, I could see that. Possibly. However unlikely it is.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Jan 10, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
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