Pick Griffin at 4 or BPA or Trade down

9 still remain on the team, but he had some good picks. Celek in the 5th? Shady at 53? macho harris and fokou are solid players. Avant is also a great value.

Interesting thing is in his 4th year, he drafted a QB with their first pick DESPITE having mcnabb.

I would look at how many are still in the league. Also Kolb got them a pretty nice booty. I think hitting on 33% is pretty good for the draft, especially since 3-4 of those guys are pretty elite.

Heckert proved his drafting skills in 1997. Jimmy Johnson drafted Yatil Green, WR from Miami (who, why?), in the 1st rd. Heckert, a scout for the dolphins, convinced JJ to take S.Madison because future HOFer, J.Taylor would ‘still’ be there in the 3rd. Been advising in drafts more and more, since then. In ‘99 Heckert was promoted to asst director of personnel. Director in ’00 before going to the Eagles in ’01 with same title.
I’d be willing to bet Heckert was responsible for a large number of eagles picks from ‘01-’05 as well.
Pretty certain, 2010 is his first at making the final decisions. “Except on QBs”, Holmgrens’ keeping that for himself. Heckert had 2 more promotions ($$$) in Philly but Reid always had the final say.

Just wanted to point out that Heckert’s role in PHI was a lot different than what he has in Cleveland. In PHI he was regularly overruled by his HC. In PHI the only one that can overrule him is Holmgren and the only instance of this is the McCoy pick.

Unless Griffin is as good as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning that’s not going to happen, and everyone should know that by now. We certainly need as much All-Pro talent as we can possess, but 99% of the time one player isn’t going to take us deep in the playoffs.

I agree with you in a way. People seem to think that if we draft Griffin, we cannot add anything else to the team. We’d still have FA, more picks this year and next, and next years FA and all the following years. I don’t really want Griffin, but I agree with the fact that we need somebody soon, if not now. It’d take three picks, maybe four for Griffin, one of which is extra anyway.

I don’t want “8 average fill-ins.” I never said that. I want impact starters at all positions. You do that through the draft. You don’t pull a Washington or Atlanta and trade away 2 and 3 starters for 1 guy.

YOU PICK RIGHT! Sometimes you sign through free agency.

Funny, his followers include Holmgren and Heckert. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.

Sigh…

I always get bombarded with this…“prove what you mean”.

Buuuuhhh

This is a Fanpost that has no reason to exist.

He really didn’t do that bad. Flat out starter, no. But he has a lot of starting experience and he can fill the role. Needs to cut off his penalties though.

I’ve said it all season and I’ll say it again here; he’s got the physical tools, he just makes too many mistakes in determining/executing his assignments properly. The penalties don’t help.

Don’t like Mercilus.

Man, that takes me back. I wanna watch Underdog, Rocky and Bullwinkle and Hong Kong Phooey now.

he scored a touchdown once for me in madden.

I sorta agree with this but when your whole team average is around 3.5 (I think), isn’t that also indicative of poor blocking schemes?

I’m more positive than most (everyone?) on Hardesty. I am very excited to see what he can do this season two full years out from the ACL injury.

Awesome. The first ever all-diamond offense.

rec.

Just posted on PD:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/02/recipe_for_nfl_success_find_a.html

I learned real early that, number one, you have to get the quarterback when you have a chance," said Accorsi, a former Browns general manager from 1985-92. “I don’t care what the circumstances are.”

Ok, we take RG3 at 4. And don’t give up 2 more quality starters in exchange.

???

That.

Them.

His stats and vids should have convinced you a long time ago.

My personal humble opinion

well thank you for that.

r to put more focus on serious upgrade on the WORST performance positions.

you mean quarterback?

put more focus on serious upgrade on the WORST performance positions.

Like Bross mentions above, QB was pretty ‘meh’ last season. Even if you do believe that Colt wasn’t the worst, you are overlooking a key fact.

A team can win with poor performances from a RT, RG, TE, DE, FS, etc.

A team can’t win with poor performance from a QB.

Yet another overly-specific plan that involves many different moves, few of which are likely to happen. Wouldn’t it be easier to address our one area of extreme need, which also happens to be the most important position in the sport?

I’ve never heard anyone say “boy, if only Peyton Manning had some more weapons around him, he’d really be something.” All I’ve heard is “those Colts WRs have really turned into something under Peyton Manning.”

Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, but I’m just flabbergasted by how many people want to continue making excuses for the fact that our QB position is a nightmare. Colt has had long enough to take the starting QB job and run with it, and he hasn’t done it. This isn’t the early years, where the organization gave Tim Couch 2 scarecrows and some tackling dummies for protection. We have an OL that some of the teams who were in the playoffs this year would love to have, and our WRs would look much better if the ball was getting to them when/how it needs to in the NFL.

We need a QB, plain and simple. A 20-step plan involving every other position on the field won’t fix that.

Reply fail.

I like it, still have to watch out for Seattle moving ahead of us. Also I would prefer Wright at 22 but otherwise heck yes. Also if those 2 teams sign FA QBs the Rams bargaining position weakens.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Browns refused to offer more than their 2nd rounder and next years 3rd rounder to move up two spots. I think the real question is how do they really view McCoy? It’s entirely possible they could decide to just surround him with weapons. Blackmon at 4 and Wright at 22 would send a resounding message, no? It would be impossible for McCoy to fail with a 3 WR combo of Blackmon, Wright, and Little? Plus Norwood. Then the featured TE. And what if Indianapolis makes Luck available?

The reality is that, in my opinion, we don’t trade away future starters to get one player after finishing the last two years with 4 wins. We continue to build talent. Especially considering the age of Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

If RGIII is available at 4 we take him. If not we do what’s best for the franchise.