DBN Draft Talk Thread #2
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 11, 2012 8:55 PM EST
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Maccoye is beetttaarr thene ur dumbb RG111
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." -Paul Brown
I can’t say this enough. I really like him too. Just think the FO is going to “stay the course”.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t know “the course” did not involve finding a quarterback.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 12, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
“The Course” if going by the last two drafts as indication, would show that we will not make a huge splash in the aquisitions, but may do a decent amount of trade backs.
Not sure if I believe that “The Course” is necessary this upcoming draft. IMO, I don’t see us trading up at all, since most players (draft is deep for what we need with a few exceptions) should fall to picks where we are already. I looked at the latest SBN mock, liked our first pick (going with there premise of course – Claiborne would be a rock star pick up to add to the defense), hated the second – If we go WR with the 22nd pick, I’d rather see Jefferey there instead of Floyd.
DE is a must also somewhere high enough in the draft to get a good one, barring of course a quality free agent pick up. My hopes are that this FA season, we make at leat 4 to 7 solid pickups, that along with a solid draft should make most of us fans happier with a higher quality team.
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If we go WR with the 22nd pick, I’d rather see Jefferey there instead of Floyd
I think teams are going to run away from Jeffery, and if I had to bet right now I’d say he’s not a first rounder. I don’t think I’d touch him even if he fell.
Steel Nick
I think he’s a guy that will follow Jonathan Baldwin’s trajectory exactly: highly rated, big play guy during the season, falls way down in rankings when people have too much time on their hands, NFL teams don’t pay attention to rankings, draft him in the first.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
News today that he ran a 4.8 forty last month and weighed in almost 20 pounds overweight. That’s the sound of his stock plummeting.
Steel Nick
Where was this?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
No I meant where did he run the 40.
A lot of players are working out with trainers right now and a lot of the time the trainers don’t even tell the guys what they are running. No one is running at combines or pro days for another few weeks.
Where would Jeffery be running for scouts?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Joe Haden wasn’t a “splash”?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I thought “meh” at the time, 6 studs in the draft and we have the 7th pick.
I was brilliantly wrong.
....just need a guy called Byner to play RT...
Have any of those OT’s taken ahead of Haden panned out?
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I hear Okung is doing okay.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Feb 12, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
He really struggles at staying healthy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was pretty meh at the time as well, but it was not 6 studs and we pick 7th (last year was closer to that with 5 guys ahead of us that I would have been happy with), the only guys ahead of Haden that I would have really wanted then (and probably still now) were Suh, Bradford and Berry. Was never a big fan of G McCoy and the OTs I had no interest in for obvious reasons.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
In defense of me saying “splash” the post was about getting Manning. If the “splash” thing went viral, I apologize.
When you consider more things from all angles, you'll get more things from all angles. We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
“Went viral”? I don’t need to hear about the next youtube sensation, I just want to understand what you are trying to say. As of right now I can’t say that I do.
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I will gladly speak to you about whatever you don’t get. Just honest and forthright.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
about whatever you don’t get.
That I have said I mean. I know you “get things”.
When you consider more things from all angles, you'll get more things from all angles. We'll be kicking ourselves if we don't get Burflict.
by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t just look at the last two drafts, but also look at H&Hs history at running drafts. They didn’t ever trade back like they did with the Browns. maybe a lot of that had to do with a great deal from Atlanta and this team being so awful that they needed as many picks as possible.
And they did trade up too in the last couple drafts…
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Give it to me…come on.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
OK then.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well now you do. Sorry, I’m being a d***.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
i’m actually disappointed I posted this. None of us know what’s going to happen. I need a break from this.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
You need a break dude.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone like Floyd better than Blackmon? If Floyd shows some decent speed at the combine I think he might be a better choice for us than Blackmon. He is a couple inches taller and a little bigger. I love the idea of having a jump ball specialist on the Browns. Plus he is an excellent run blocker, which is always a great trait to have in a WR.
If he shows decent speed at the combine I think his draft value jumps up. If not, Blackmon will probably remain the #1 WR in the draft.
The combine speeds will determine which one i like better
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 11, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. A good 40 time could really boost Floyd’s stock.
by BiggieBrown on Feb 11, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that might make him unavailable at #22
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll be there at 22. If his 40 time is good enough, I would actually take him over Blackmon at 4. If RGIII is gone, I think the choice at 4 will between those two.
by BiggieBrown on Feb 11, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I want to stick a shiv in my head right now. I will make another martini instead and pretend my brain never though for even a fraction of a second about taking Floyd at the 4 spot.
by HenryDawg on Feb 11, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
even if he ran an impossible 1.00 at the combine?
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 11, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
3 DUI’s, maybe that 1.00 is in a car, drunk lol
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 12, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t we already have the DUI poster boy on our team a few seasons ago? That’s a Red Flag.
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by Brownie's Year on Feb 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mind you, I did not rec this because I support getting DUIs, I rec’d it because it was funny. Now stop getting DUIs.
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by JustBob on Feb 12, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Knock wood, I drink my share but I have never had a DUI.
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Blackmon runs a 4.5 and somehow Floyd runs a 4.38, I take Blackmon 100 times out of 100.
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Why would you want 100 Blackmons? Isn’t the league maximum for the roster 53 anyway?
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 12, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I saw Blackmon take over his BCS Bowl Game. I never saw Flyoyd take over a game. I think Blackmon has game control capability where flyod does not.
Looking at Floyd’s game logs, he had a decent game this year against South Florida and took over the game a bit, but nowhere near the capacity that Blackmon did it…and that’s kind of routine for Blackmon.
13 catches for 205 and 2 TDs this year against KSU. 12 for 128 and 2 TDs against Arizona. Taking over games like that is the everyday routine for Blackmon.
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in fairness, floyd did have some pretty shoddy qb play this year.
i agree that blackmon is the better player, but i think floyd is very good.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 14, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I do think Floyd is good and can be a very good player. I was just pointing out he never had those dominant moments like Blackmon did.
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Not to go all Greggggg Easterbrook on everyone but the actual difference between 4.38 and 4.5 isn’t significant on a football field anyway.
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by Aussie Brown on Feb 12, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
The interviews are extremely important, but it’s not like we know how those go.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 12, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
No, but you can get a feel for what guys can/can’t do that isn’t on their tape.
If the RBs aren’t in on pass pro is that just philosophical from the coaches, or is that because the guy can’t block? If he doesn’t catch out of the backfield is that because he can’t or because he wasn’t asked?
You can see how guys move, just from a subjective standpoint who is smooth and who is explosive, etc.
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It really isn’t huge. You can see some difference on tape sometimes (.12 seconds does show up on tape a bit), but guys don’t always perform at the combine like they show on tape.
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Every inch is significant on an NFL field.
The difference between a 4.3 and a 4.5 is 3 yards over the course of that 40 yards. Thats the difference between a guy being “wide open” in the NFL and being blanketed.
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That’s just a step during a stride. And that one step means a world of difference.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone like Floyd better than Blackmon?
No, and its not even close.
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by rufio on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice
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by The New Kardiac Kids on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd is too much like Little.The WR group could go for some variety.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 12, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
They have significantly different skill sets imo, but I see your point. Little’s hands aren’t as developed, but he has more trucking ability and lateral agility to create YAC.
Neither one seems to be a deep threat so far, but if I had to bet on one guy being able to get separation deep based on skill set, it would be little and not Floyd.
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which is why I want RG3 and Wright.
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by bross09 on Feb 12, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Same, also if Adams is still there that would be tough to pass on. I think I would take the DE and see if he falls to 37. If not there are guys like Criner who you could pick up later.
Well for a long time we either didn’t draft any OL in the mid/later rounds or we drafted very few of them and the sucked.
I would try to get one OL between the 2nd and 5th rounds every year. That way if you hit, great. If you don’t, you have more guys.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Agree with this. I also believe that for OL, anything other than an LT in the first round is a luxury pick that only good teams should be bothering with. I love Alex Mack, but the marginal value of a Center (and guards as well) is just not worth the spot we took him at given the situation of our team when we took him.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with both of you but at this stage we have nobody to play that position. I agree with rufio that you take one every year in the later rounds to see if any work but unless Pashos can get and stay healthy we can’t really gamble with this position (maybe Artis Hicks, he seemed to do well against Pitt). I’m not a 5 all pro OLine guy, but you do have to have someone decent at every spot. Pashos is good at pass pro when healthy but also a liability as a run/screen blocker.
I wouldn’t be against investing our 2nd round pick in an RT, or pay some bucks in free agency for one, but I don’t think we should use either of our firsts on one.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pashos was fine when he’s healthy, he’s just never healthy. But what if we’d been drafting guys who could play RT in the draft every year for the past 4 years in the 4th round? We’d have one by now that we could live with.
A second rounder should pan out, particularly at RT. I would pull the trigger this april on a 2nd round RT if the right guy was there.
All I am saying is regardless of the condition of your line, you should try to draft guys there every year once the picks don’t matter as much.
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I find it incredible that in the 12 years since the rebirth we’ve drafted Center in two of them. Why do we suck again?
Even dumber is that the first one we drafted was pretty good and then we just traded him away for nothing because we signed a free agent center (who then got a career ending injury).
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I forget what we got for Faine, but probably wasn’t enough. He was good, but definitely wasn’t as good as advertised and wasn’t great at handling NTs
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I love Alex Mack, but the marginal value of a Center (and guards as well) is just not worth the spot we took him at given the situation of our team when we took him.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I am with Mangini, I want my OTs and C to be really good, and I can deal with below average guard play.
Mack is awesome because he’s big enough to handle most NTs by himself (at least at times) so you aren’t locked into protection or running schemes that require helping the C.
All things considered, I am still fine with Mangini trading down. Sanchez had the better positional value, but he sucks. We needed to adapt our roster to what he wanted to do and he accomplished a lot of that with one move and still selected a pro bowler.
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We ended up with the better deal in both of our trade downs. Mack and some picks for Sanchez, and Taylor and picks for Julio Jones.
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think two of the players we got in the Sanchez deal were Vaikune and MoMass or even Robo so um….no, not in that instance.
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by Aussie Brown on Feb 16, 2012 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
We got Mack, Veikune, a 5th round pick in the next draft (used to move up I think in a trade for Hardesty), a bunch of over-the-hill junk players, and Ratty!
So, uh, we got ripped off.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we didn’t get fair value, but it’s hard to argue we didn’t get the best of that trade. We’re the only team who got a good player.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 16, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would be too. We could always get Johnathan massaquoi in the 2nd round. You know how we like our masssqauoi’s in the 2nd.
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Can I back this up a bit? Having watched almost zero college football I don’t have a read on this group of receiver prospects at all. Could we do something like this, listing your top 4 or 5 WR (chances are we get one of those somewhere in our first 3 picks). Maybe put a a score to them like on a GPA scale and a little blurb about why.
For example, what I’ve watched from ESPN analysts I might say something like this about Blackmon:
Blackmon, 3.85. Similar to Terrell Owens in physique and skill set but less suicidal and more stalwart like a Larry Fitzgerald.
by Mal Reynolds on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Im dreaming here, so indulge me…we pick up Grimes, Williams and Garcon in free agency..CB, DE & WR. Then, H/H can do practically anything they want in the draft like RGlll, then Zach Brown (if he’s still there at 22), then either a RT or a Safety for the first 3 picks. Hell, we would have 3 instant starters and possibly 6 with the draft choices. This would make me feel like I had died and gone to heaven. Lol.
by OldTimeDawg on Feb 11, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If that would make you feel like you died and went to heaven, what would the Browns winning the Superbowl do to you?
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 12, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Crap my pants , then strip down and run the Vegas Strip before the Heart Attack or the Cops could catch me.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure heaven has as many D’s as you want.
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 15, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Grimes, Williams
I don’t even have a good grasp on cap space but I’m sure this would have to be far too expensive a combination, wouldn’t it?
Steel Nick
I think we have about 20 million in room. I don’t know what the rookie wage scale looks like now, but I doubt that we’d take a cap hit of over 10 million for just the draftees. Undrafted rooks usually are negligible in terms of cap hit.
That would leave us 10 mil/year to sign free agents, which could get us one or two really big players if we structured things in a way that could potentially screw us in the future.
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Did this happen in the new CBA? Link? I have so much less of an idea of what is going on since the new deal.
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That seems odd, and it also seems like you can really only do it for one year. If you use the full cap and the space you carried over, you don’t have space to carry over the following year.
And its not like we’re loading up for a SB run next year and have several pricey veterans coming off the books.
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With everyone busy talking about a first round trade to get RGIII no one has really talked about trades for later rounds.
The one team everyone has been looking over in the QB market is Seattle. Would anyone be interested in dropping our second round pick a few spots in a trade with Seattle. They could finally draft a QB prospect (which they’re lacking) and we could gain a pick or two in the process.
I think I would favor this type of move opposed to a first round trade. I wouldn’t mind trading up for RGIII as much if we could still make this move in the second round. Of course this is all assuming that Tannehill will be there at pick 37 which may not be the case. IMO if he is taken any earlier it’s a reach… but what do I know. I’m crazy.
If we can pick up a 4th or 5th, I would like that move a lot.
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Thats also assuming that Seattle doesn’t have eyes for either of the top 2 QB’s. Pete can be highly unpredictable, and nothing would suprise me with him in charge of a draft.
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I can’t believe Brockers is rated so high.
I think it was Maylock that graded him first round after he declared early, then every single mocker did it afterwards.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 AM EST reply actions
A lot of players don’t show up on draft boards until they declare.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Usually when someone is going to be the top player taken in that position, they are at least mocked prior to declaring even if there is only a small chance they’ll actually leave.
Hell, Brockers wasn’t even showing up in 2013 mock drafts.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
MKC does a decent job of breaking down the free agent WRs in today’s PD. With 10 pretty good receivers available, hopefully the Browns can sign one and reduce the need to pick up quite so many in the draft.
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Robinsons seems to be a perfect cost-opportunity combination. Hopefully with the receiving corps they have, Dallas low-balls him and he looks elsewhere.
Steel Nick
I thought Stevie Johnson looked good. He’s coming from Buffalo so he’s used to our weather. We need a young WR who sees the Browns as a team on the rise, and sees himself as a #1 here.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
I think he stays in Buffalo.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Then he can root for them too.
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by Dawg Nuts on Feb 12, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think you might be the most consistent poster here.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 12, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Nice diversion, GOLAN
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 12, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would have voted for Ratty.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
What do you guys think of Kendall Wright from Baylor? I have seen him run by some guys that were high NFL DCs. Seems more than a track guy – a baller. I don’t think we will have the second 1st rounder anyway – but if so – what say you?
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Agreed. Solid route runner, not afraid to go over the middle, nice soft hands. He is more mike wallace than Desean Jackson…but not nearly as good as Wallace probably (a bit shorter, a bit slower, but similar)
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The comparison to Wallace seems about right. We need a kid like that.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 12, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t come up with it, but I definitely saw a bit of Wallace when I watched him.
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Definitely. He may even be there at the second rounder if we have to use the other first to trade up.
Now way he’s there at 37. But if he is, cash money!
by Brownie's Year on Feb 12, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
We should just draft all of Baylor’s skill players and call “Get Open” on every play and see what happens.
Wright would be a nice field stretcher. Would McCoy have enough arm strength to get the ball to him?
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Strength, probably, but accuracy I don’t know.
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 12, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think about David Wilson if it turns out we do need a running back? I watched some video of this guy and he seems explosively fast (4.29 forty) and is a real work out monster.
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So, i was reading through the rams SBnation blog and looking at a couple of their draft threads. The majority seems to want Kalil at #2, with a minority hoping to get Blackmon after a trade down. Some people there really dislike Blackmon actually. “The sixth pick might be too high for Blackmon” (Link: http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/2/13/2795257/2012-nfl-mock-draft-st-louis-rams-washington-redskins). Now, i know that fan opinion isn’t necessarily a good representation of FO opinion, but i thought this was interesting, nonetheless. If 1, and 2 are Luck, Kalil, then i think it is obvious that Minnesota will trade out of three (Washington, Seatlle?, us?). If this is how it pans out, Blackmon will be there at four, and i am ecstatic about it. (Providing we don’t trade up)
Also, a lot of people on their threads wanted to build WR during free agency, names including VJ, Braylon, Meachem, Manningham, as well as retatining Lloyd.
by FrenchToast979 on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Braylon. LOL.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think Minnesota has a real chance at taking Claiborne or Blackmon.
Their secondary is horrid, and their WR’s after Harvin are complete and total junk. Devin Aroshamadu started 6 games for them last season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have to think someone will sell the farm for a chance to draft RGIII at three. I think Minnesota is bad enough that they can’t pass up that kind of value (Similar to what we did last year).
If this does happen though, i won’t really gripe about RGIII at 4.
by FrenchToast979 on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
If this does happen though, i won’t really gripe about RGIII at 4.
I cannot understand people who are dead set against trading up for RG3 but, at the same time, would be fine with taking him at 4. If he is worth taking at 4, he is worth trading up for. If he is not worth trading up for, he is not worth taking at 4. Either case, we are putting a lot of the future of the franchise into him and our FO is saying that they are convinced he is a franchise QB. If you trust the Front Office to make that determination then you should be happy we get him in any way. I understand people who just don’t want him, and want to use the 4 and 22, etc., on other needs. But the “wait ’til 4 and take him if he is there” crowd are just copping out. He is either worth taking or he is not.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I’m getting more bleh on Blackmon by the day at 4. When he’s compared to Dez Bryant I’m not getting giddy about getting dez bryant even without the issues with the #4 pick.
I mean they are both bigger WRs who aren’t blazing fast but always get open and are athletic in their movements (e.g. short area quickness), have good body control, and can go up and get the ball.
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I know, I am just pointing out my annoyance at it. Blackmon is more refined, Dez a crazier athlete. I see enough differences.
Dez reminds me of Larry Fitz. Not a burner, but always makes the catch. Always makes an impact.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 14, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean Blackmon. I’m an idiot.
Don’t REC this either.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 14, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m getting more bleh on Blackmon by the day at 4
I’m to the point where I don’t even want him.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 13, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for like quad posting basically, but new SB mock draft has us taking Trent at four, and Floyd going before Blackmon:
Richardson and Tannehill in the first? NOOOO!
by Brownie's Year on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Haha seriously, how terrible does this look
by FrenchToast979 on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I joke around about beating the shit out of my neighbor, but someone would pay if this draft happens.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Also, what is this?
Previous mocks had the Browns taking Justin Blackmon here, but the rumor mill has them sniffing out free agent receivers.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t understand why all the mocks seem to anoint Washington with the second pick. Did I miss something here? Does Washington have two first round picks and a high second? It seems to me that the H&H and the Browns have more ammo that anyone. If H&H want him, they can get him.
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I’m fairly hog certain that we have Washington beat as far as the quality of picks available for trade this year. But yes, it does seem that everyone seems to think that the Skins will be the ones to trade up and we will use our picks foolishly.
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That draft is nightmare/suicide fuel for me. Somehow I can see it happening.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Especially if I'm wrong.
by Aussie Brown on Feb 14, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think the consensus is that Snyder is more desperate or crazier, you pick, than H&H and will give up more in a trade.
by JamesPowell on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Snyder doesn’t run that show anymore. They have Shanahan and a GM and if you check last year they were pretty conservative. I don’t see them giving away 2 drafts to move up. Guys with Shanahan’s ego don’t even require a top tier QB. In their minds they can use a guy of the street because their systems are so awesome. Again, that’s in their own minds.
I think that’s true, though I do remember it being a bit of a surprise when he took Cutler.
by Mal Reynolds on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I’m talking about RG111 of course. Sure wish we could edit after we post for us oldsters.
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In the future RG111 will control the computers, and will edit as RG111 sees fit. I for one welcome our robot overlords.
Steel Nick
The fatal flaw in your prediction is that you’re implying the robots could become more powerful than Joe Thomas. Laughable and absurd. My prediction for the future is your ass getting pancaked.
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I like to use the “preview” function to see what my post is going to look like and read it again before I hit “post”.
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I like to use the "preview" function to see what my post is going to look like and read it again before I hit "post".
I too use the “preview” function before I post. It’s the read it again thing that throw me. :)
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What the shit.
Heckert hits “print,” tacks it onto a coark board. Holmgren stands back, his hands on his hips. “We’ll show them. We’ll show them all.”
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by nickjs21 on Feb 13, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why Tampa?
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I would be if I were them.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not entirely surprised, it is Cleveland.com after all.
This post has been previewed and approved by me.
That just proves that Cleveland.com kills brain cells.
That or Colt McCoy has voted 7,509 times.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Also a lot of pundits have the Redskins getting Manning and Flynn and maybe even Kolb. Sure should be a helluva battle for starter over there.
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Draft
Here’s my dream draft, Blackmon(WR)Best WR prospect since Detroit took Johnson, Adams(RT) fills our 2nd biggest weakness maybe trade down a bit to pick up another pick too, Minnifield (CB) Arguably the best Run support Corner in Draft and nothing like a Legacy. If Blackmon is not there with the 4th I am also a big fan of using our connections with Philly to get Jackson in free agency in some sort of package deal.
Desean Jackson is likely to get a Franchise Tag.
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 15, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
i have a problem with you calling Blackmon the best WR prospect since megatron Calvin Johnson. Sorry.. my lions secondary allegance
Kiper’s mock looks better:
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/02/kiper-browns-to-draft-baylors-griffin-wright/
would anyone else love to see Griffin at 4 Floyd at 22 then best DE at 37?….man thats my dream first three picks….resign Hillis to a modest 3 yr deal and our big free agent signing is d. jackson if he dosent get franchised….of course address the RT spot ..maybe package a third and fourth to move back into the second for best availible…
by junkyard dawgz on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 PM EST reply actions
If we get Griffin, the rest of the draft is icing on the cake.
That’s how bad we need a QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 16, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hypothetical: we get RG3, if he doesn’t look great his first year, is everyone OK with that? Are you willing to give him 3 years to learn the WCO? Do you think the rest of the Browns fan base will?
if he doesn’t look great his first year
I’d hope that’s an extremely tiny “if” given what we might fork over for him.
I think its more likely he won’t look good until at least the halfway point of the year, at which point he still will make lots of mistakes but hopefully also show some promise..
I’ll reiterate this part, purely hypothetical: If we did draft him at 2 and he didn’t play well the first year, I’d be very disappointed in our front office, whether it was because they missed something prior to the draft or hired bad coaches. That said, knowing what we gave up, I’d be forced to give him several more years, partially depending on how bad the previous play really was. To what the extent does the poor play go, that’d be a factor.
Now, scratching the hypothetical away, RG3 doesn’t seem like the kind of prospect that is going to suck his first year or few years. I’d really, really hope that H&H are capable of drafting someone who isn’t a bust with our first pick this year.
But if they suck for the rest of their career it is a bust.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
That would depend on what the struggles are.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 16, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
That would depend on what the struggles are.
Agreed. If RG3 starts his first two games and does well, then has a real bad game, and then this happens, we have a bust on our hands.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 16, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I’m aware of that. That’s why I mentioned in the entirely hypothetical scenario that the extent of the poor play is a factor. If he was almost great but not quite there, I’d be fine. If he was absolutely terrible, I’d be worried.
Personally, I don’t expect him to play poorly enough to where anyone would have to ask whether or not we give him 3 more years. I expect him to play well, but still have an occasional poor throw. The kind of struggles you’d expect from a future great player only in his rookie season.
It’s not a simple yes or no question for me.
I want him to look good, but if he looks “bad”, I will be more interested in how he looks “bad”. Does he show any progression from the start of the year to the finish? Is he making any good plays?
But I have no problem giving him two full seasons to see what he can do.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 16, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I’m fine with that, bc he will still have the potential to be a Franchise QB (in terms of natural ability). We don’t have someone like that on our roster, and you’re going nowhere without it.
My biggest problem with the whole “build around McCoy” thought process is it goes against sound business practice. QB is the most important position in all of sports, and we’ve allotted almost zero Capital in the position. This is unheard of in any successful organization. If you run a shipping company, you’re not going to spend 5% of your budget on trucks, repairs/maintenance, tires, etc. If you run a tech company, you’re not going to hire your engineers from community colleges. We’ve “spent” a 3rd round flier draft pick, a superfluous commodity added as only part of a rather minor trade, on our company’s most important man/function.
This is the definition of mismanagement, if it continues much further.
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by kwoog on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 6 recs
We don't need to spend a first round pick on a quarterback this year.
There is a misconception that our priority should be a quarterback in the draft. We need an offensive lineman, receiver, and linebacker. Obtaining a stud lineman or two, like a Thomas, will open holes for Hillis, give Colt time to make his reads and go through his progressions, and give receivers time to get open.
In the 80s we took the slowest quarterback in NFL history, and we put him behind a great offensive line. This offensive line gave this slow quarterback time to drop back, make his reads, and go through his progressions. This slow quarterback turned out to be one of the best in Browns history. This line also opened holes for Byner and Mack. In other words, the offensive line made that offense, and not the other way around. Imagine the success that the Browns would have enjoyed had Byner, Mack, and Kosar played behine the offensive line that Colt has played behind.
They also need a WR who can spread defenses, and a quick, mean, nasty linebacker that hits like a Mack truck. To those pushing for a trade up for a quarterback in the draft I urge you to please look at the big picture. Teams have won the superbowl with mediocre quarterbacks, but a great line. I know of no team that has won a superbowl with a great quarterback, but a weak offensive line. In fact, there is no such thing.
This slow quarterback turned out to be one of the best in Browns history.
Because slow of foot has no effect on reading defenses and getting the football out of his hand quickly, things Colt has been unable to do.
I know of no team that has won a superbowl with a great quarterback, but a weak offensive line. In fact, there is no such thing.
This is all kinds of wrong.
Imagine the success that the Browns would have enjoyed had Byner, Mack, and Kosar played behine the offensive line that Colt has played behind.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, but they would have had the same amount of success playing behind our current line as they had then, since our OL is decent and they were good players.
There is a misconception that our priority should be a quarterback in the draft.
It isn’t a misconception, it’s reality.
We need an offensive lineman, receiver, and linebacker.
Yes we do, but not nearly as much as we need a QB.
give Colt time to make his reads and go through his progressions,
Colt had as much or more time to get the ball out as many of the good QBs in the league did, he just lacked the ability to do it.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
That episode was written by Conan O’Brian by the way.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 20, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
There is a misconception that our priority should be a quarterback in the draft. We need an offensive lineman, receiver, and linebacker.
Sigh…
They also need a WR who can spread defenses
So Colt can underthrow them? Fun!
I know of no team that has won a superbowl with a great quarterback, but a weak offensive line. In fact, there is no such thing.
The Giants? The Packers? The Steelers? Nope. Never happened.
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by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 19, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
well, what worked for a team that went to 3 afc championship games in the ’80s MUST be what will work for a 4-12 team in 2012, amirite??
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 19, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you’re saying, OL play is hugely important to team success but you’re making a huge overstatement if you equivocate Colt McCoy and Bernie Kosar. Kosar was elite, nearly at the level of P. Manning, at analyzing the defense and had a unique combination of Favre “killer instinct” and Brady “exploit the match ups and take what’s given.” He didn’t do any of these things as well as these three QBs but was very good at each of those elements. Colt has shown some things on the field, but Kosar’s strengths are almost to the letter, precisely what his weaknesses are currently.
I think McCoy could become a good QB in the NFL, Cleveland is just not where it will, or should happen.
by Mal Reynolds on Feb 20, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, my word of the day is huge.
by Mal Reynolds on Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why do people keep assuming that building up strength at all these positions is mutually exclusive? It’s not like if we draft RGIII that we’re committing to take a QB in all seven rounds. Sure, it’s an investment, but there are certainly many other good players in the draft that will be taken in the later rounds as well. Also, free agency.
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What would it hurt if the Browns H @ H went ahead after the combine and made it known that they really do intend on taking RG3 at all cost. Wouldn’t this force Washington and Miami’s hand and put pressure on them to grab a QB in FA? Plain and simple the Browns have the best package to offer the Rams and if they want the QB he is theirs. Even if the Browns like the QB but are not quite convinced if they do this and the Redskins and Dolphins fill their need in FA then it opens the door for the Browns to take RG3 without giving up any picks. Agree or not?
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Disagree. I’m pretty sure rival GMs won’t need it in writing to know the Browns will be after RG3 anyway, so I don’t know what changes by voicing it. The reason the trade up to 2 is already a hot topic for teams is because no one expects him to get past 4, vocal commitment or not.
The only thing this does is create an extremely awkward situation with Colt if someone else gets Griffin.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The only thing this does is create an extremely awkward situation with Colt if someone else gets Griffin.
This would be awful and hilarious.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not only do the Browns have more to offer, the number 4 spot is far more attractive to the Rams than number 6 from Washington. #4 guarantees they will get Blackmon or Kalil, two positions they desperately need.
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
i agree Bernie…i also think with a QB with a ceiling like RG3 we have to worry about some GM from a team we are not discussing getting into the mix for RG3…i could see Jones in Dallas fall in love with the kid and give up the farm to keep RG3 in Texas…..we have by far the most ammo with 2 firsts this year and only two spots to drop in the draft…i mean if St. Louis trades with us and views Blackmon/Kahil as equall then the essentially get something for nothing…something tells me that Rams want Kahil and might actually take him and stay put THEN IMO the bidding war starts with Vikings at 3 who i think would want Claiborne and would be at risk of Tampa taking him if Vikings traded with Washington….im so hyped up and excited about RG3 ill honestly be super bummed if we dont get him..and as far as creating awkward an situation with Mccoy…frankley i dont give a damn about that…FO allready made it clear that were bringing in competition and IMO Mccoy will always be an average starter at best….so im with you Bernie if our FO wants RG3 let it be known..start working on a trade with both rams/vikings right now and hopefully back off some other teams
i think it’s important to remind the forum of a point about the draft. as of this moment, the browns have the following picks in the 2012 draft:
Round / Pick # in that round:
1 / 4, 22
2 / 5
3 / 4
4 / 5, 23
5 / 4
6 / 5
7 / 4
for those keeping score at home, that’s 9 picks in 7 rounds. to be very clear, traditionally teams are allotted 1 pick per round for a grand total of 7 picks per draft. so, as you can tell, the browns have MORE picks than their traditional allotment this season, which is a result of their trade last year with the atlanta falcons.
if the browns move three (3) of these picks in exchange for the #2 pick in the first round — which is reportedly what they’d have to move in order to be in position to select rg3 — that would leave them with … everybody all together now … seven (7) picks!! how about that? the same number of picks as they would traditionally hold without any trades. amazing, right?
hope you’ve all enjoyed this episode of “fun with numbers: why people saying we’d be ‘mortgaging the future’ if we traded for rg3 should be publicly ridiculed”
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 22, 2012 6:30 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
What do you guys think of Chandler Harnish? Late round pick and probably not the most interesting topic of conversation, but at least it’s not RG3 :)
The Browns met with him informally on Wednesday, and he said he’s hoping to have a formal meeting with the Browns. So I checked him out a little bit. The first thing that jumped out to me was his mobility. He’’s no Mike Vick, but he’s got some decent wheels. He also looks like he has a pretty good arm- I watched a highlight video (yes, I know, it’s a highlight video… boooooo) and he was throwing 20-30 yard passes on point and with some zip.
I read a few scouting reports and it looks like the biggest knocks against him are things like footwork, technique, and knowing when he should stay in the pocket and when he can take off.
6’2" – 220 lbs.
Projected by fftoolbox.com to go in the 6th, and mockingthedraft.com has him ranked as the 12th best quarterback prospect. He seems like he could be a nice #3 that could push someone for the #2 QB position.
I don’t think we’re ready to get project QBs in this draft. Considering we got late rounders like Skine and Hagg who contribute late last year, we should continue to use those picks to build depth. If we get a new QB we’ll have depth at that spot. If we go with Colt I don’t think there’s any reason to start an additional QB controversy with a 6th round pick. If we get a new QB settled in, then I would start drafting projects late every year, especially if Colt wants to test free agency in a couple of years.
Trade up for Andrew Luck
What would it cost? Seriously….We have 2 first rounders, plus other picks later on in the draft. I’m curious if we can conceivably do this without completely repeating what Ditka did with the saints (all this years plus following year’s 1st) for Ricky Williams. What would be too much?
Perhaps I am in the minority, but I wouldn’t want the Browns to give any more to grab Luck than what it would cost to secure RGIII. Furthermore, I am actually more excited by the prospect of RGIII than Luck.
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by Brown's Browns on Feb 24, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
It could conceivably cost us both of our first round pics and our second rounder as well to grab Luck. And the Colts would then have to trade up to get RG3. I don’t see that happening.
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As others have stated on here, trading for the right to pick Luck is a situation where draft chart goes out the window. I’ve got to believe that next year’s first would be involved in the discussion as well. Of course the Colts once gave up Marshall Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and fifth, so who knows what goes through the minds of that organization.
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by Brown's Browns on Feb 25, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
We’ll probably have to do this to get Griffin. Getting Luck would mean the entire draft plus picks next year.
I doubt the second rounder comes in play for Griffin. And for Luck, Schefter speculated three ones. So that’s 4, 22, and next year’s.
People may think the price for Griffin is expensive (right now I’m thinking 4, 22, and something comparable to one of our 4th rounders), but the price for #1 is always going to be astronomical.
Steel Nick
I think you may have already said this but giving 4, 22 and a fourth is like having a normal draft plus getting RG3, there’s no downside, no pain at all. That would be fantastic. The only reason I think it could go higher is I think more teams are going to start falling in love with this guy so we won’t just be bidding against Wash and Mia, but also Seattle, KC, Oakland, Denver possibly, Jacksonville, the Jets, maybe even a team like the Cowboys, any of whom could be willing to sell off their whole draft to get him.
giving 4, 22 and a fourth is like having a normal draft plus getting RG3
No, it’s like having a normal draft where your first round pick is RG3.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 25, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Our two firsts this year are worth more than any other teams first this year and next year. In fact, our two firsts this year are more valuable than most of those teams’ first this year, next year and a second this year. Our first this year is number 4 overall (no one beats that) and our other first is this year, not next so it is worth more on that alone. With teams like KC, Denver, the Jets, you are talking about mid-level picks which are worth a ton less than the number 4 overall.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 25, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
they can still pursue tannenhill (Texas A&M) this year to plug other holes and pursue matt barkley (USC) next year too. (I think I got the names right, I don’t really follow college football too much)
Remember, to suggest this is to say not only do the Browns have to lose 12-14 games next year but that you would prefer that they lose 12-14 games next year.
by Mal Reynolds on Feb 25, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
the fact that you suggest Tannehill gives away the fact you don’t watch a lot of college football
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I just realized the Vikes may want to drop further to get a more value pick. They’re paying AP 10+ million they may not want to pay Claiborne or Blackmon top 5 money so it may not be that easy. They could see a trade with Washington, KC or Sea, who would part with large numbers of picks as more attractive.
I don’t think salary is so important any more with the rookie pay scale.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 25, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
They could see a trade with Washington, KC or Sea, who would part with large numbers of picks as more attractive.
See above. It’s hard for those teams to even beat our two firsts this year. To even match that, they would, at the very least, need to give up first this year, next year and a second this year. Even with that, KC and Seattle probably need to give more. We have so much more ammo than these other teams that you need to be wearing Daniel Wolf blinders to not recognize it is our choice whether to move up and get RG3 or not. It’s our move.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 25, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
That way we should be able to get the Viking’s pick with our number 4 in the first, and our second rounder. Would be nice to have the 22 around to maybe pick up Wright. So we trade our first first and keep our second first. :)
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Wright would be perfect for us but he’s probably going to be gone by then. He’s probably the second best receiver available right now.
Wright would be perfect for us but he’s probably going to be gone by then
I agree, wouldn’t be surprised if he actually found his way into the top ten. Maybe we could use our pick at 22 and our second rounder to move up once again. Cue the Aerosmith music.
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Also really liking Doug Martin as a mid round RB. He just did 28 reps on the bench press (most of the RBs) and I love the way he runs, his legs have a powerful stride and he seems to be a Ray Rice bowling ball type of guy who is shifty, fast, and strong.
is martin the boise state guy? that dude runs hard … i would have no problem bringing him into berea.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 25, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Martin went to Boise.
Why did the Steeler fan grow a mustache? So he could look like his mother.
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