Are you All In???

2009 was the Mark Sanchez trade down.

Julio Jones had a pretty good rookie year

So did Greg Little. Plus, we got a FB, a DT, and two more picks.

I would not say that they got fleeced so far, it seems like it will be about a even deal.

Julio Jones will have to be Jerry Rice for this deal to be even. By the way, he’s not Jerry Rice. I’m not sure he is John Taylor.

We also used a third to trade up to get our first round pick. I believe that third was Atlanta’s also.

No, Shanahan has final say over roster decisions.

I don’t think Snyder would have traded down 3 times in the last draft.

Reality would dispute that.

I cant see the Rams passing on Kalil. That would be like looking at JT and knowing what he is and passing on a really good chance to have something close.

It’s ok though, your very fashionable helmet hides it pretty well.

and a lazy eye…

QBs most assuredly cannot be found anywhere in a draft, at least not good ones; and trading down all the time builds a perennial 8-8 team. We need some top 5 talent.

This, so absolutely this.

Just got off a conference call with Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton… they all called you a dumbass but at least conceded you hedge your bets with the right percentages.

Despite the joke/jab, I agree with you but for a different reason. I’ve watched about as much youtube of RGIII as I can and he’s a guy worth taking and worth taking with serious consideration of trade up scenarios. I’ve come to believe that the Cleveland Browns, if drafting a QB, must draft a top tier prospect at least top 10 and probably top 5. On the business side of things, any other QB moves will not satiate the fan base and will erode confidence in the FO. There will always be doubts that the guy picked at 20 or 30 or 40 was “really” the guy they wanted or that they’re picking a hold over. This FO has demonstrated a thicker skin than our previous but no FO is impervious to fan reaction. The extremely conservative and stubborn Mike Brown had a fan base almost to the tipping point and drafted the QB his staff wanted over his own preference and traded the player he said he would never trade out of principal.

Tim Couch got his 4-5 years and 50-60 games because he was a top tier pick; and to this day there are probably some who would argue he deserved more due to roster decisions around him etc. (Please… let’s let that sleeping dog lie).

Brady Quinn, a late first rounder and 2nd pick, got what, 13 games? And, probably a solid chunk of fans that had closed the book on him half way through that stretch. (Again don’t really care if this was the right call or not, or where anyone stood about it.).

Colt McCoy (and sure, Charlie Frye too) were 3rd round picks and likewise, the book is mostly closed on McCoy after 20 or so games, Frye even less (3rd time’s a charm: don’t really care if you think these were good or bad decisions by the organization, the decisions themselves are not the point).

Point is I think the bust potential on RGIII is really low, the ceiling, really high. However, it is a pure toss up as to whether he will have success right away or take a couple years. The only thing that will sustain him and the FO if the latter turns true is his investment as a top 5 pick. I think this reality holds true next year and every year Cleveland goes without a consistently effective QB. Eli Manning survived some so so first few years with a combination of flashes of potential and a franchise that knew it was going to hang its hat on him for 3-4 years. Cleveland just simply isn’t a market where anything short of a dramatic move at the QB position is viable except by some loong stretch of the odds.

The other concern I have about the “if he’s there at 4, cool, if not BPA” is those that then assume that next year we’ll be in a position for Barclay or Jones. First, that makes an assumption that we’ll be picking early again. There will be no “Suck for Jones” nonsense in Cleveland… I’ll punt my floating Godhead into geosync orbit over NE Ohio before that happens. Second, we saw a lot of QBs come off the board early last year, so we’re in a favorable position now where demand for QBs is relatively low (4-6 teams). If some of those guys start to bust out the market next year come draft time could be really high (8-10 teams).

To me there are certain positions where you want to invest high picks and it doesn’t matter offense or defense. You want QB, LT, WR, CB, DE. You get those positions filled with quality and fill in the rest with the best available you can get. We have LT and CB looking good, we could definitely use a monster DE and obviously a QB and WR so it would be nice to have all 3 high picks, but if we can’t do it all this year, well there’s FA and next year too. The top QB prospects this year are way higher than the top pass rushers so we need to use our high picks now to get one. WR is deep both in FA and the draft and we also need a RT badly but that can be gotten later this year.