How much longer for our Browns to play in and win a Superbowl?
by champion64 on Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST
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PrintI was born 2 hours exactly after the Browns beat the Colts on December 27, 1964. Our last NFL Championship. My dad (who was a devoted Browns fan his whole life) each year the Browns failed to make it to the Superbowl blamed it on me and called me Jinx the Cat. There have been teams like the Chicago Cubs in MLB (1908) with a 103 year drought or Toronto Maple Leafs in the NHL (1967) with a 44 year drought that are still on going, but somehow because we have been so close and so many times it felt like a Superbowl birth and win should happen, it is more painful to us. It feels like it will never happen. (Screw all the jerks who say a Cleveland Browns team did win a Superbowl in 2000 as the Baltimore Ravens, I want to actually punch those people) My question to everyone is how long do you think till the Cleveland Browns break through and make it to a Superbowl and win a Superbowl?
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Acorrding to Betty white, next year is a sure thing!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How are you figuring the Browns make the playoffs with teams in our division?
by kamasutraman_007 on Feb 6, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING AS OLD AS A WHITE DOG TURD!
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by ctowndawgpound on Feb 10, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s a tough one to call. I went with 3-5 years because I think that in 3 years we will be a regular playoff team. But man… The Super Bowl is just a whole different animal. There have only been 13 different teams in the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. There are plenty of really well-run teams, but even they aren’t guaranteed a Super Bowl in the next 3-5 years.
Superbowl birth
I’m certain there are thousands of babies born each year on the day of the Super Bowl.
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by Dawg Nuts on Feb 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I’d rather have a Superbowl birth berth instead
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 10, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. I took the logical choice that allows room for mistake.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 5, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
we get RG3 next year and boom, Simms is correct with that 365 days.
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You made me feel old. Do you know how hard that is?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
No one is old when compared to the universe. I’ll be young even when I’m 80. Assuming I live that long…
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by Brownsbacker488 on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
I took 1-3 years, & screw all of you who don’t believe. I’m not very far behind shep (within 2 years) and as far back as I can remember I was a Browns fan. If things are done right, by the time the 4th to 5th year of the Holmgren/Heckert front office, we can be there. Just have to find a way to max out the draft picks the next two drafts and finish off the Defensive build, while recreating the offense. There is a way, but most fans don’t like to hear it, and I’ve already stated it a billion zillion times.
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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
If we had a front office that could use FA and the draft to build, I might go 6 yrs. That is just not the case. The Browns have been trying to build through the draft for 10 years. We have no Quarterback, no wrs, no running game, no run defense and that defense is not feared by anyone. The new league favors athletic qbs with any arm. We can draft one, but most Browns fans here still want to add filler and not impact.
by kamasutraman_007 on Feb 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
but most Browns fans here still want to add filler and not impact.
I wouldn’t say most, I’d just say a very vocal minority. I want a game-changer.
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I want more than one game changer. I want a group of game changers!
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Like, say, Greg Little, Jordan Norwood, and Momass, who are all likely to be significantly better with a great QB?
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Little played better with Wallace at QB. That says a lot.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Armchairs don’t really know the game.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Have any of these guys ever showed a hint at being a game changer?
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
also why not have some game changing WR’s (as in more than one ) to go along with a game changing QB? We dont have any of those type of WR’s currently on the Browns (Little has a chance to be a solid #2). So what type of WR goes with the QB that everyone wants???
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
In my eyes it’s pretty simple. Is it easier to get one game changing QB who makes 5 offensive weapons look better, or get 5 game changing offensive players to make a QB look better?
There is a reason that every NFL team is chasing a great Quarterback.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 11, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m afraid we’ll throw a boatload of cash at a player like Garcon and come to the realization he was only good because of Manning!We not only need a QB that can get the WRs the ball but also make the pre snap reads along with the ability or authority to make an audible! Just dreamin’!
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by ctowndawgpound on Feb 11, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
My audible comment is to alot of criticisms I heard earlier in the year about Colt not being able to.
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by ctowndawgpound on Feb 11, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
RG3 and Kendall Wright. Add Little into the mix, and you have a nice group
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And with Norwood as your slot,this might make one of our weaker positions into more of a strength of the team.
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by ctowndawgpound on Feb 11, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
The Browns have been trying to build through the draft for 10 years.
but only until Heckert did we have a guy running the draft who had been successful before at running a draft. We should ignore previous regimes because they are nothing like this one.
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by bross09 on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They do look and seem different, as they should. Not even a comparison. Butch was a HC/gm who sucked at both, Savage was a glorified scout, Kokinis was a pawn of mangini, and Dwight Clark just sucked.
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by bross09 on Feb 7, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1999-Butch Davis
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but only until Heckert did we have a guy running the draft who had been successful before at running a draft. We should ignore previous regimes because they are nothing like this one.
Isn’t that a cop-out? With the mangini regime weren’t people saying “this regime isn’t like the last”? Weren’t people saying the previous regimes were “nothing like” crennel and savage? wasn’t kokinis qualified alsowhen he came on-board?
Every regime is supposedly better than the last. And after it’s over, they’re always lumped with the previous ones.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 9, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was “MANGINA SUCKS” from the start. I did like Butch and Romeo though.
The hump we have to get over is the regression year. Say we surprise everyone and win 10 games this year. Then in 2013 we got 4-10 again. We have to avoid the temptation to run another crew out of town. Look at the Bungles, for all Mike Brown does to ruin them, keeping coaching consistency after a 4 win year after a playoff run and they’re back in the playoffs with a rookie QB.
If Romeo had our current front office, there may have been a good chance it could have worked. The current front office of ours is the best we’ve had since a few years before the desporia to maryland.
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Romeo wouldn’t be here with this current FO. He’s from a different system.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a Shurmur fan, but I don’t think he will be as bad as a coach as RAC. I liked Romeo as a coordinator and he could scheme well, but he just couldn’t control the players.
He ran a zoo…and that’s an insult to zoos because at least the animals were trained and contained.
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Shurmur uses guys like JT, DQ and Fujita to control the locker room and its an approach I personally like.
agreed
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I remember exactly no one on this board being excited about Kokinis. No one. Keep up the bullsh1t rocland.
Once you start comparing a QB to Drew Brees, you've lost the argument.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 10, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never stated anyone was “excited” about Kokinis. Keep up your reading comprehension TDSH
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 10, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
With the mangini regime weren’t people saying "this regime isn’t like the last"?
A lot of people here hated the Mangini hire from day one.
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by notthatnoise on Feb 11, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t that a cop-out?
nope
mangini regime weren’t people saying "this regime isn’t like the last"? Weren’t people saying the previous regimes were "nothing like" crennel and savage
yeah, but that was not the point I was making. Sure all of those guys were “nothing like” the previous guys, but that wasn’t always a good thing.
Kokinis might have been somewhat “qualified”, but he was never involved in the draft process. Savage was more qualified, but he had never been “the guy” in an organization like Heckert was.
Whatever you want to say about Reid’s decision making on drafts, Heckert WAS a general manager for close to a decade. The most you can say about any of the previous guys is that Savage was the gms assistant on draft issues for 2 years.
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The specific previous position of the GM is pretty irrelevant when it comes to future impact and success isn’t it? Considering the entire drafting process involved everyone under the personnel team, a GM could have previously been a scout as long as he makes the right decisions. No different than a former coordinator becoming a head coach.
I personally like Heckert more than any other GM so far, but if he flames out, then people are probably going to look back at his decisions the same way you look back at all of the other ones. And then the next GM is going to be “different than the rest”
by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 10, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Did we ever have a GM before with previous GM experience?
Wouldn’t that alone make Heckert different than the rest?
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 10, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
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There is a whole lot of difference between becoming a scout and a gm. It’s like being a coordinator and a HC. Some guys eventually do transition from good scout to good gm (like good coordinator to good HC), but none of those coordinators/scouts were proven commodities.
Heckert as gm would be like if we had gotten Gruden as HC. Both were experienced and did good jobs at the position…except that if anything, Heckert had a better track record.
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We have a FO that is finally worth a damn and is trying to get the ship back on course. Did you miss the links and posts on here about how Holmgren told Randy Lerner before even taking the job this could be a 5-7yr fix? How does Holmgren/Heckert have anything to do with the moves we have made over the last 10yrs? I get so fed up listening to dumba$$es screaming about how we have been building for 1013* years and I want change now, blah, blah, blah. If you want a team that can compete year in and year out, you have to have good drafts and build the team up. Once your competing, then you can grab good FA players to mix in with your draft picks to maintain your talent level. Holmgren/Heckert is doing a hell of a job if you ask me. Drafting hasn’t been a Cleveland strong point since we have returned until these two guys showed up. So why don’t you do a “reverse dog” and go root for buffalo.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
The other part of this is also not giving up on players if they aren’t all pros after a year or two and the other part is being able to keep and develop the depth you acquire later in the draft. They do an excellent job of both.
Does that mean that you want to develop McCoy for another year? As a Starter?
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Not with Griffin out there. If it was someone average like Jones, then yeah I would stick with McCoy. Otherwise now is the time to get an elite QB and Griffin has shown he has all the skills and traits of a great QB. Talent + obsession + intelligence is deadly.
You start Griffin right away. If he’s going to fail let him do it early and progress.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, I was meaning not with Griffin available to us in the draft. If we didn’t have the ability to draft a QB of his skills I would not be as gung ho on going all in on Tannehill.
I was agreeing with you. Colt better start if we don’t get Griffin.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Unless he needs a half a season to digest the offense and learn the speed of the game. I am for a QB competition, but not giving RG3 the job. This would be Colt’s 3rd year in the league, 2nd in the same system. He isn’t great, but there is a decent chance he could beat out RG3 for opening day.
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Thats building a quality core of players, then slowly over time, replacing them when they either leave (ala FA) or retire. We are on our way there and I would love to shave off a year or two. I believe the move made last year by trading back may have gained us a year – we did pick up some core quality players. Thats why I say probably two more years of building the core. It’s just like building up the NCO corps in the military, thats where the majority of the knowledge and hard work come from.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
People talk about building inside out, and I agree with that. But what I don’t see is why they don’t think we can add skill players because we’ve completed 90% of the OL and DL. We have the best LT ever, a pro bowl center and LG, and up and coming pair of RGs and we just need a RT. On the other side we’re 3/4s solid, decent depth players, just need to add one big pass rusher on the right side and then continue to improve said depth.
The Browns have been trying to build through the draft for 10 years.
But that doesn’t help when each new regime we have ends up cutting most of the draft picks we’ve already selected. Where we benefit the most now is that we have a true direction on offense and defense. Maybe not our defenses so much, but with Butch Davis, Phil Savage, and Eric Mangini there never seemed to be a real system we were trying to incorporate which led to having a melting pot of different system players.
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by Brownsbacker488 on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the point, H & H are trying to build the Browns version of the NCO corps, and every fan should support this. Any person ever associated with the military knows this is the best way to go.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
The other thing you have to think about is all these teams like the Steelers and Colts are all desperate because they’re over the cap. I just heard some of the Steelers players are “restructuring” their contracts to help them (typical cheaters). You have to be careful not to kill yourself with the cap. It would be awesome to have 5 top 10 players on the Oline but this isn’t the 1980s, you have to spend the money on the key positions – LT, QB, 1 WR, 1 CB and DEs, and maybe an elite Safety. But you have to find value elsewhere.
some of the Steelers players are "restructuring" their contracts to help them (typical cheaters).
haha
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
1 to 3 years
I am going with 1 to 3 years…..depending if we could get Peyton or Flynn and get some good draft picks to make our offense relevant again. I haven’t seen a Peyton post related to the Browns, but we can dream, yeah.. Okay, now everyone slap me silly…. This next few months are going to be very interesting, indeed…hee hee hee…go Browns!!! and Betty White…:)
Peyton and Flynn should not be in the same sentence. One is a HoFer, one has a good game under his belt. Each would have a very different effect if they came to Cleveland.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 10, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Of the 17 people who voted “Never (we’re jinxed)” I request a recount because people without a heart are not competent enough to make a vote since they’re legally dead. May Joe Thomas strike a sad and painful punishment on your cable boxes so you never have the ability to watch the Browns as they bring back their dynasty years!
Honor. Courage. Commitment.
RG3
I can’t wait til RG3 is in a browns uniform. He is going to bring a level of excitement this team hasn’t seen in years. If for some reason we do not get him as our qb, we will watch him go on another team and be a superstar that will haunt us for years.
Why must I be like that, Why must I chase the cat?
We need to grab RG3 now because after we win the 2012 Super Bowl we’re going to be picking last.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
by Kaner on Feb 10, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
qbs
for those who think that a rg111 is the answer, remember Dan Marino first year at Miami, couldnt be touched, went 16 gm winning streak, perfect season, then the second year teams found a way to get to him and no more great qb, still good but beatable, the last two years Ive followed the Browns all the really drafted was defense, passed up Julio Jones last year, qbs cant catch the ball too or run it all the time for hurt backs, sorry, the Browns need to work on two to three wrs and a decent line
What in tarnations are you talking about.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Feb 10, 2012 5:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 6 recs
You are WAY off on your Marino facts.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’ve read that post 10 times. It’s too funny.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I wish that we could get a Marino like repeat at QB here in Cleveland. It would be nice if it was Colt, due to the fact that we already have him under contract at a really good price. Is it gonna happen? Never know, but there’s always hope. We will probably pick up the QB in the next 1 to 2 drafts.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
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Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
rg111
Is this some sort of football throwing robot?
the Browns need to work on two to three wrs and a decent line
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by Dawg Nuts on Feb 10, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is this some sort of football throwing robot?
You’ve done it! Why draft talent when you can just build it?
by HenryDawg on Feb 10, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this some sort of football throwing robot?
My abs hurt from laughing too hard
by Brownie's Year on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Save us RG One Eleven, you’re our only hope.
by HenryDawg on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
RG111... Systems Check... Execute E://touchdowns.exe...
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by Adrock2099 on Feb 11, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
RG111 is like hundreds of years in the future. This is RG3
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by macdowellm03 on Feb 11, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
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