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Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings

I was pleased to be joined by Brian Galliford of Buffalo Rumblings this week to help preview this Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills. You can put it any way you want it, but in general the season hangs in the balance based on the result of this game for both teams.

Chris Pokorny: The Bills made a few big defensive subtractions in the offseason, especially with the loss of Nate Clements in the secondary. How has Buffalo been able to survive without him, and will the season-ending injury to safety George Wilson hurt the Bills this Sunday?

Brian Galliford: If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: upper-tier cornerbacks are not as important to a Cover-2 defense as a consistent pass rush, an athletic front seven and a playmaking safety are. Clements wasn't worth his huge contract in Buffalo - and there may even be a few 49ers fans who agree with that sentiment as well. That's not to say that cornerback play is unimportant to this scheme; the stellar, consistent play of Terrence McGee and Jabari Greer has been a huge stabilizing influence for this defense. Simply put, the scheme itself has more than made up for the loss of Clements.

I mentioned the need for a playmaking safety, and of the entire group of safeties on Buffalo's roster, George Wilson has been it. He's a converted wideout, so he's not a particularly strong tackler - in fact, he's downright weak against the run. But his offensive experience give him skills that a lot of defensive backs don't have; the fact that he's scored two defensive touchdowns this season speak volumes to his abilities in that department. His loss will hurt, to be sure; we're confident, once again, that the scheme - plus the presence of Donte Whitner and Jim Leonhard, who actually was ahead of Wilson on the depth chart to start the season - will let us get by during our playoff chase.

Chris Pokorny: Lee Evans is native to the Northeastern Ohio area in a way. Has he been a fan favorite to Bills fans since the team drafted him? What is the best asset to his game?

Brian Galliford: Most Bills fans feel that Evans is either already an elite NFL receiver, or he's at least on his way there. Personally, I don't see it. Elite receivers make plays more often than not, yet Evans has just 47 receptions and four scores this season. (Granted, when you factor in that the Bills have only 10 aerial scores this season, those stats don't seem so horrible.) Too often Evans is completely erased from being a factor in the outcome of the game; I believe he has elite tools, but he needs more help around him in order for those talents to be fully exploited.

By far, Evans' best asset is his speed. Of the group of receivers in the NFL that aren't freaks of nature like Moss, Owens, Andre Johnson or Braylon Edwards (no ass kissing here, just straight up respect), I would put Evans in the top three in terms of deep threats, with Steve Smith and Santonio Holmes ranking near the top as well. He is the type of receiver who stretches any type of defense, and it's helped Buffalo's offense to a certain extent (Josh Reed is having a career year, and the TE position has finally factored back into the offensive attack). There are benefits to having Evans on the field at all times, but we need bigger plays more frequently from our top target.

Chris Pokorny: Backup Fred Jackson has taken advantage of his opportunities the past two weeks, despite the fact that Marshawn Lynch returned last week. Will Jackson's emergence continue to provide him with playing time, or will Lynch be getting more of his carries in a game such as the one this week against the Browns?

Brian Galliford: Dick Jauron made it pretty clear after both Lynch and Jackson rushed for over 100 yards against Miami that both backs will be used often from this point forward. Lynch will still be getting most of the carries - my gut tells me that the coaching staff wants to get him around 20 touches per game - but the run game is such a huge emphasis in this offense that there's room to give Jackson 8-15 carries per game as well. So many of the league's best teams feature two running backs; this is a feature that Jauron has wanted in his offense for quite some time, but we just didn't have a Fred Jackson to utilize (well, I guess technically we did).

It's not a big secret that the Bills are going to try to sustain drives, move the chains and eat clock to keep your potent Browns offense off the field. Expect to see a lot of both Lynch and Jackson on Sunday - and have fun shutting them both down!

Chris Pokorny: His stats weren't flashy before the Dolphins game, but Trent Edwards is 5-1 as the Bills' starting quarterback. How has he done it without posting Brady-like numbers?

Brian Galliford: Playing the Jets twice, the Dolphins and the Ravens helps, to be sure. To be honest, Edwards has won ballgames simply because he's done what the coaches asked him to do. Edwards is a guy who, at this point in his career at least, isn't going to wow you with stats. What he will do, however, is execute a game plan down to the most minuscule of details at a nearly perfect clip. The coaching staff has done a good job letting him get a feel for the game, the offense and reading defenses while simultaneously putting the Bills in a position to win. I give the coaches most of the credit for Edwards' success, but Trent has made some big plays - and won over teammates and fans - to help his cause as well.

Chris Pokorny: Buffalo, as a lot of teams do in the NFL, have had some road deficiencies this season. Also, they have not defeated a team with a winning record. In general, how do you address these two statements, as I have strongly made points about them on Dawgs By Nature during the week regarding the Browns' chances of winning.

Brian Galliford: Sure, the Bills haven't defeated an opponent with a winning record this season; the Browns, however, have only defeated one team with a winning record, and that was a Seahawks team that at that point in the season was struggling at 4-3 and playing on the road. It's a nice win, but it's not as impressive as it first seems to be on paper.

The Bills are actually 3-3 on the road this season - I find it pretty impressive that a team as devastated by injury as the Bills has managed to play at a .500 clip away from Ralph Wilson Stadium. That record is actually better than Cleveland's 3-4 road mark this season (though obviously, that could change this weekend). To boot, the Bills are 2-0 in road games that Trent Edwards started in; just 1-3 in road games started by J.P. Losman. It's no secret that the Browns are a much, much better team at home than on the road; I wouldn't necessarily call Buffalo a bad road team, however. Their latest road win came in an emotional game at Washington; that should be evidence enough that the team isn't a pushover when they're away.

Chris Pokorny: How about a final prediction for the game too? :)

Brian Galliford: You know, every realistic cell in my body is telling me that the Browns are going to win this game. But I can't pick them - not because I don't think they have a very good shot at winning this game; I think that's too obvious to ignore. But I've got a feeling about this Edwards kid. I've got a more defined feeling about what the Lynch/Jackson backfield combo and our resurgent offensive line can do to the Browns' defense. I like the playmaking ability of our defense. I just have a feeling.

Bills 27, Browns 24. Homer alert!

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Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Brian,

God bless you for your Bills loyality and I would predict the same outcome if I was a Bills fan.

But since I'm not, I highlight the fact the Browns will pass early and often against your weak (28th in the NFL) secondary.

It will be close, but the Browns will pull away 31-24!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 13, 2007 11:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
How about the Bills Running all over your weak run defense (28th in the NFL),there by controlling the clock and keeping your offense off the feild.
Bills 24  Browns 17

by sireric on Dec 14, 2007 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Yeah that would be a good strategy.

But since the Browns have given up only 7 rushing TD's all year, what are you gonna do when you hit the red zone?

You need to score to win and your 17 point average won't be enough to beat the Browns.

You can always hope though!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 14, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
With all due respect, not a single team has been able to control the clock all season against us (excluding the game with Frye). To say that the Bills are going to do it automatically, especially when you guys do not exactly have the strongest running game in the league, spells overconfidence.

I hope you're not too upset when the Bills run a couple of three and outs and fine themselves down two-three scores early ;)

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 14, 2007 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
BTW, just to clarify, I'm not saying the Bills won't go over the 100-yard mark or anything. I'm just saying I highly doubt the Bills would be able to control the clock against us. When teams do get yards rushing against us, it's not because they run it six times in a row, picking up 30 yards and three first downs, chewing up six minutes of clock along the way. It's because teams will get minimal gains, and then on a draw play, we'll give up a 19-yard burst. That doesn't take up clock, and as one of my reader's stated, the Browns usually tighten up near the red zone.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 14, 2007 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Brilliant argument.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 14, 2007 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Steelers did in BOTH games, I hate to say. (Some of it was because of Cribbs's big runbacks, but not all.)

by JulioBernazard on Dec 14, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Very true.

PIT had a 17 min TOP advantage yet you barely beat us 31-28.

BTW, thanks for hijacking the thread.

by rickyfeacher on Dec 14, 2007 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
"You"? He is a Browns fan. Has been since the start of the year and he makes a good point.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 14, 2007 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
*start of the year should say "for years."
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 14, 2007 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Thanks for the defense, fwembt. I appreciate it.

You probably remember me from our debates over that game, and your position was correct re: TOP.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 17, 2007 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I think either the Browns will get up early and win it by 5-7, or the Bills will get running early and keep us off the field, win by 3-6

by Estonianzulu on Dec 14, 2007 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Browns are just the better team, as evidenced by Defensive and Offensive rankings.  Oh, and they are playing at home, where they are 5-0 under DA.  The fans will be in a frenzy, and Edwards is a rookie.  Browns win a good one: 27-17

by dawginphilly on Dec 14, 2007 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
When you say The Browns are better because of the Rankings, I assume you're talking about Yards allowed. Which means jack. Take into consideration that while the Bills defense is ranked 30th, they only allow only 22.4 point a game, which is good for 16th in the league. Meaning they tighten up in the red zone and have a tendency to keep opponents out of the end zone. where as your beloved Browns give up a whopping 27.4 a game which is good for DEAD LAST. So if you mean to say that the Browns have a better team just because of some numbers you're looking at, I think you need to check some better stats.

I will grant you that the Browns have a better offense, but being better on offense but not on defense doesn't make the Browns better, only evenly matched.

by sireric on Dec 14, 2007 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
No, he is talking about DVOA. In offensive DVOA the Browns hold a sizable advantage over the Bills and in defensive the Bills hold a smaller advantage over the Browns. The Bills play at a league average 0.0% DVOA and the Browns are at 7.3%, good for 11th in the league.

Also! (to borrow from LGT) can you really call a five point difference "whopping" and hope to claim objectivity? Frankly, the Browns are better and the numbers prove it, perhaps you should check some better stats. That said, Sunday's game should be a good one.

At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 14, 2007 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
When 5 points is the difference between 16th in the league and 32nd, then yes, that is Whopping.

 What is the point of defense? Don't strain yourself I'll tell you; to keep your opponent from scoring. what better stat is there to tell you how good a defense is than points allowed? again don't think to hard, NONE.

by sireric on Dec 14, 2007 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Eric...
Relax on the insults, man.  You have a disagreement - one in which I side with you, by the way - but you're turning it personal.  Let the stats speak for themselves; fwembt just sees the stats differently.  Respect and civility, my man.
Buffalo Rumblings: the best Bills community on the Internet!

by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2007 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hey Eric...
You're right...sorry. it's just the comment about the Bills super bowl performance got my blood up.

by sireric on Dec 14, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hey Eric...
Not sure where you saw that comment, I certainly did not make it. Yes, I see the numbers differently. Only Sunday will really decide this debate.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 14, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Why don't you talk about your Defense when you play a top ten Offense?

I know why?  Because when you played NE, DAL and JAC your vaunted Defense gave up and average if 38 points.

Here's a clue- CLE is 4th in the NFL in scoring (that's the point you were talking about, right?)  The only teams better are NE, DAL and IND, and you lost to 2 of them!

You can get warm and fuzzy over your 22 point defensive average, but when you play a team that can score you lose!  

by rickyfeacher on Dec 14, 2007 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Check out this website, it's the most effective STAT there is out there, the WEIGHTED DVOA.  I'm also not ignorant to the fact stats are not all-telling, and the game is decided on the field.  If there is a stat I go by, it's this one.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php

by dawginphilly on Dec 14, 2007 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Very nice site, thanks.

It is hard for most people to understand how we're 8-5 with a 30th ranked Defense.

The DVOA has our adjusted D at #11 and ST's at #2.

by rickyfeacher on Dec 14, 2007 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I love it! Both sides are acting like this is one of the most important games of the season. Oh yeah! That's right, it is!
Browns, 34-27
DP

by oddjobdrummer on Dec 14, 2007 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
TOO bad we have the heaviest O-line in the NFL that will own the D-line of the Browns come the 4th quarter.  We will be running left all day with Peters/Dockery and Lynch will be in "beast mode."  

You can talk about stats all you want, but this game is won/lost in the trenches.  The talent doesn't lie though.  Both defenses lack it, and both teams have above-average Offensive lines.  The difference is the Browns have Edwards/Winslow and the Bills don't.  And if the weather is crappy the passing game is not going to be as big of a factor.  So the way I see it, it comes down to which O-line can roll over and wear done the D-line....that is how this game will be won/lost.  Just good old fashioned, grind it out, man on a man, let's who's better.  And I'll take our O-line anyday against that 32nd ranked D!

by MARVelous on Dec 14, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I'm looking forward to the Bills trying that early on in the game this Sunday. Just about every fan that states their team is going to do that sees their running backs carry the ball for a 3.0 yards-per-carry average in the first half. Sure, the per-carry average is picked up big time in the second half, but by then, the Browns already have the lead and are on the preferred side of a shootout.

by Chris Pokorny on Dec 14, 2007 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Chris,
Given the sloppy conditions and the strong wind, do you think the pass attack will still be affective?  Given the current forecast, I am a little concerned.  Go Browns!

by CraigD on Dec 14, 2007 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Right, that massive O-Line has given the Bills a whoping total of 7 rushing TD's in 13 games and your TOP is 24th in the NFL!

Now that's what I call winning in the trenches!  <sarcasm switch off>

by rickyfeacher on Dec 15, 2007 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I'm not saying we are going to do it early.  I'm saying Edwards is going to throw early to open it up for later.  Just watch this kid.  No one knows anything about Trent Edward...but you will come Sunday.  The kid is poised, great pocket presence, and is almost boring to watch cuz he just checks it down and hits the open man.  But that will be open early, and mix that in with the run.  Then once both teams have settled down and it is 3-3 or 7-7 in the 2nd quarter, then the run will start to get established more efficiently.....Then as the Bills keep hanging around, hanging around, hanging around, and you think you should be dominating the game....then in the 4th quarter your 32nd ranked defense is going to show its true colors....cuz at the end of the day you are what you are...and the Browns defense is porous....

by MARVelous on Dec 14, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Yup, our porus Defense is so bad 8 teams are scratching their heads wondering how they lost to us.

Make that 9 this coming Sunday!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 15, 2007 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I admire the loyalty but let's not tempt fate, shall we?
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 15, 2007 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
It's funny how cocky fans of bad teams get when their morbid team shows ANY sign of life.  I'm personally humbled and beaten down by the Bills awful decade.  The author of this site makes it sound like Bills fans have fallen into this trap and maybe many of them have.  But I'm beyond amused to read how widespread this disease is amongst Browns fans- for so long, the laughing stock of the NFL.  I'm not defending the bizarre quotes that the author took from Bills fans, but it makes no sense to ridicule them when they are put into context with what Browns fans are saying 8 wins into their season.  In any case, at least I know I'll be rooting for the Steelers in the North for the years to come in the event that the Browns are indeed, for real.  Where's my towel?

by Arthur Modell on Dec 15, 2007 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Talk about diseased?

Anyone that uses the name "art modell" in a Browns forum is inflicted with a severe case of mental disease.

And, BTW Jagoff rooting for the squealers will only make your shallow self feel good, it won't prevent the Browns from winning!

But then shallow idiots like you root for teams with the best winning records.

Let me guess?  This year you are a NE, DAL and GB fan, right?

Keep up the good work Sparky!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 15, 2007 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Hey Fart Modell?

How 'bout that crap your pants performance by the squealers to lose to JAC today?

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Keep wavin' that terrible towel when PIT finishes 10-6 to lose the North to the Browns!

See yout troll azz soon!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 16, 2007 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Nice city/stadium you people have.  You guys should've built a dome.  Who cares about the Steelers?  I'm just saying their fans are much classier, well groomed and intelligent than Browns fans so I hope they continue to whip you guys in the future.  I'm Bills fan first, but my second favorite team is whoever's playing Cleveland.  As for our game, Dick Jauron's so conservative that I wouldn't have been shocked to see him kick the extra point had Buffalo scored at the end...That official that called Josh Reed in bounds on the last drive needs to be investigated...PS- Andra Davis is one hell of a player.    

by Arthur Modell on Dec 16, 2007 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Dome's are great for fair weather whiny fans.

It figures somone like you would want a dome stadium.

BTW, regardless of the officials, CLE would have beat BUF if it were 80 degree's and sunny!

You do know BUF has not beaten a team with a winning record this year, right?

What will you guys do when the Jets and Dolphins get good next year?

by rickyfeacher on Dec 16, 2007 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
There's mothing fair weather about being a Bills fan...Now that we're back to .500, Cleveland's only beaten ONE team with a winning record...I hate domes, but not as much as I hate the Browns.  Sam Wyche was right about you people.  Come on, Cincinnati next week and Tennessee down the stretch!

by Arthur Modell on Dec 16, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
I sincerely apologize for this idiot. I can assure you that most Browns fans are of much higher class than "ricky feacher." Best of luck the rest of the way.
At least I wasn't born in Denver

by fwembt on Dec 16, 2007 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Yes and I apoligize for this idiot "fwembt" for defending someone with the name of "art modell" who slams all the Browns fans!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 17, 2007 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Your ferocity is somewhat lost by typing comments on an internet website and you don't sound intimidating, but rather pathetic.

I don't want to speak for Chris, but I will say that part of the reason I enjoy this site so much is that (excluding you) it lacks high-strung thirteen year old boys who attempt to "show-off" by intimidating other thirteen year olds from their parents basement.  I'm not going say anything else after this, but I agree with "that idiot fwembt" that I think you are an embarrasment to this site and substantially lower the intellectual merit of the content.  It is my opinion that if you want to engage in a meaningful discussion of football, please stay, but if you just want to pick fights and throw petty insults, go somewhere else.

by Nat on Dec 17, 2007 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Read through the post's of "Art Modell" and tell me who is pathetic?

I assume you can read, right?

He starts slamming all Browns fans, including you, and I just offered a rebbutal.

If you would have joined in this discussion sooner you would have seen who is pathetic and who isn't!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 17, 2007 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
but not as much as I hate the Browns.  Sam Wyche was right about you people.  Come on, Cincinnati next week and Tennessee down the stretch!

"Whah, Whah, Whah-I want my mommy! The Browns beat my team and now I hate the Browns.  Whah, Whah, Whah"

Seriously, crybaby take your azz elswhere.  I could care less if you hate or root against the Browns.

Anyone that has to hate another team to make herself feel better is a classic scum, DB human being!

Now run away little girl!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 16, 2007 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Listen, Pozzo, I've hated the Browns my entire life and rooting against them and seeing their losses mount is quite frankly, the light of my life.  One game doesn't change my feelings towards them.  Every Sunday during the season is about two things, rooting for the Bills and rooting against the Browns.  Today was a bad day, but nobody's crying.  Rooting against the Browns is the gift that keeps on giving and another loss is just around the corner.  

by Arthur Modell on Dec 16, 2007 7:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Right, DB!

With PHI and NYG coming up, you're assured of another 7-9 season!  What's that, one winning season since '00?  Brilliant!

Go ahead and get your terrible towel out jagoff, you'll need it to wipe your tears!

OK, luv to hang around and lower my IQ by talking to you but it's time to go and celebrate the easy win we had today!

Adieu!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 16, 2007 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Getting to Know the Enemy: Buffalo Rumblings
Oh since you wanna talk about losses, I forgot to add- Scott Norwood and Marv Levy are my heroes.

I mean how can you not luv that classic crap my pants performance in SB's, 04 right?  Brilliant!

I mean talk about losses in big games, the Bills and Vikings own the record for futility!

Cheers!

by rickyfeacher on Dec 16, 2007 7:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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